A fun Tax Analogy.

Submitted by Sean on Wed, 01/27/2010 at 11:00am.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes,

it would go something like this:...
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.

He said, "Since you are all such good customers, I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80."
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes, so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men -- the paying customers?
How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share"? They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33.

But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay!
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"

"That's true!!"shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only $2 ? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

» posted in Sean's blog

Comments:

by geoff - 2 years ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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Sweet analogy.  You could even take it a step further and say that all of these guys were spending money on something completely worthless, beer.  Just like a majority of what the government spends their money on.  Offices and departments that are bulging at the seams with unnecessary employees.  Un-managed and easy-to-abuse, highly expensive welfare programs that do little to nothing to improve the situations of the less fortunate.  Over-governed laws and regulations that simply add to the cost of overhead and operations, but do little or nothing to improve the lifestyle of citizens, and in most cases makes life worse for a large percentage of hard-working citizens...

 

Just like beer!

by Valorie - 2 years ago
Orange County United States
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Love it--I just read it to my cabinet worker who has his own business.  That is exactly what we learned at BYU. 

by Sean - 2 years ago
Beaverton United States
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Will they give me a house in Orange County?

by Sean - 2 years ago
Beaverton United States
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Just talked to my HVAC vendor here at work about measures 66&67.  He's a small operation with just a few employees.  He knows many people who were barely making it and now calling it quits.  He's going to be talking to his accountant to see if it makes any sense to even stay in business any longer.  And if he does call it quits won't even be able to lease the building out now since nobody wants it.  Some places are talking about putting a 'corporate tax' line on the receipt you get.  In a sense, it's a backdoor sales tax. We now have the highest minimum corporate tax in the US.

by Brad - 2 years ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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Member Points: 1639

Workmen's Comp Insurance is the real killer of small business in California. Most simply cannot afford it. Only sole proprietorships are exempt. Any businesses with a few employees cannot do work for most companies since its mandatory to carry it.

by geoff - 2 years ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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seems like the only solution is to start over.  Most policies and regulations are either corrupt, misguided, mismanaged, obsolete, ineffective, overly expensive, and/or abused.

 

Government should be restructured completely, from the top down, and built more like a business.

by Jay - 2 years ago
San Jose United States
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Member Points: 4260

Where/When does the revolution start? I would gladly sign up but I wouldn't be a very affective guerrilla warfare soldier since I don't own any guns.

by Robie - 2 years ago
United States
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Member Points: 5180

I'm going to move to Denmark.   They pay the highest tax, free healthcare, free daycare, if you lose your job the government pays for everything and everyone loves it.   Everyone make the same wage so people do what they enjoy so people are happy.  They have small home with very little things, "less things more living".  It is so safe there they can leave their baby in the stroller outside while they go shopping.  The only bad thing is most people don't get married or go to church.  I did however learn all of this on the Oprah show: )

by Blueidjode - 2 years ago
St. George, UT United States
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Wipe it all clean and start over, I agree with Geoff.  Wouldn't that be refreshing???  haha great story Seany, loved it.

by Blueidjode - 2 years ago
St. George, UT United States
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YES Robie I just read your comment late.  I loved the Oprah show and am also moving to Denmark.  We can be flat mates.  50% of their income goes to taxes.  But look at all the perks like Robie said. And they pay for your schooling.  I'd save up enough money, then go to school, then save up money, and go to school again.  Free schooling would be awesome.

by laura - 2 years ago
Sandy, UT United States
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Member Points: 1488

Some people in the US come close to 50% taxes and it doesn't get them nearly the same benefits. I'm still not sure I'd ever leave my baby outside in the stroller while I shopped, though. :-)

by Brad - 2 years ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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All of these great countries with free medical care and education do not seem to want to open up their borders, like the US does.

by Jay - 2 years ago
San Jose United States
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thank you Brad! you said it! immigration to these countries is VERY HARD!

by Sean - 2 years ago
Beaverton United States
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I'm sure you could hand pick somebody in Denmark to say how lovely it is, then at the same time find someone who is completely unhappy with the system.  I for one wouldn't want to live in a cookie cutter shoebox like that lady did on the Oprah show. 

 

My brother in law came over last night and told me that because of measure 66&67 which not only raises corporate taxes but makes them also pay for LAST year, a small company he works with immediately had to lay off 5 employees to backpay like $30,000 in taxes.  What a great idea.  Reduce the number of tax payers and make the ones who can keep a job pay more.  Unbelievable.

by Valorie - 2 years ago
Orange County United States
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Member Points: 13553

When I took my Positive Psych class we learned that Denmark was the Happiest Place in the World to live.  Reminds me of "The Happiest Place in the World" theme of Disneyland.  I constantly laugh as I walk through there and see all these screaming crying kids.  It reminds me of Pinocchio when he is enticed by the sly Carlo to go to Toyland and skip school.  We are taught that self-reliance is best for our own growth and development.  I think sometimes the human race confuses "being taken care of" as happiness.  We are getting there though.  Watching the State... last night I listened to how many things the govt was going to take care of--college, mortgages, jobs, health care, housing, retirement--the list goes on. 

by geoff - 2 years ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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The other gigantic missing piece is the mentality of Americans versus some of those Euro-Scandanavian countries.  The sense of entitlement here in the U.S. is astronomical.  Work ethic and self-pride are missing in action (Dictionary: see New Orleans).  For a model like Denmark to work properly, all players in the game must do their part, and love doing it.

 

In a weird way, if you'd like to take a look inside a common U.S. household, go work an evening with a fireman.  No, they don't primarily put out fires.  They get called to go help lazy, slothful, middle-aged citizens that are so unhealthy they can't even get back in their own chairs when they fall.  And on one of the multiple tv-trays next to their soiled, worn-out lazy-boy recliner, you will find boxes of twinkies, cartons of cigarettes, and a 96-oz refillable soda bucket purchased by the wonderful State government.

by Sean - 2 years ago
Beaverton United States
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Nothing like buying a plane ticket right now and it's going to be $244, or no wait I'm sorry $295 after TAXES.  20%???  I mean really.  It's on your phone bill, your electric bill, your gas bill, your cell phone bill, your gas pump.....  I know, let's vote yes on 66&67.  What a great idea!!!!

 

by scott - 2 years ago
Salem, OR United States
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Member Points: 3706

Yes, 66 & 67 will do one, two, or all of 3 things: 

1.  Put a business out of business 

2.  Get current employee(s) laid off 

3.  Increase the price of goods/services for the company to stay in business

by Sean - 2 years ago
Beaverton United States
Member Since: Jan 2007
Member Points: 8398

I love the laundry list of people reaching into my pocket on my property taxes which by the way went up another $500 this year.

 

Coll-Portland                                  96.93

ESD-NW Regional                            52.72

School-Beaverton                        1608.57

Washington County                       770.66

Reg-Metro Service                          33.11

Port-Portland                                  24.03

Park-Tualatin Hills                          448.09

Fire-TV Fire&Rescue                      522.78

City-Beaverton                           1,355.68

Fire-TV Fire and Rescue (again?)       85.69

Washington County (again?)            202.23

 

Bond-Washington County (again)      49.91

Bond-Metro Service Dist (again)      52.72

Bond-PCC   (again)                         60.02

Bond-SD #48-Beaverton    (again)    749.38

Bond-Tual Hills Park&Rec  (again)    146.36

Bond-City of Beaverton  (again)       83.43

Bond-Tri-Met                                29.58

Bond-TV Fire&Rescue (3rd time)    40.96

Bond-Metro Service (again)            63.89

Bond-PCC (again)                          59.85

Total:                                        $6,536.59

 

For being such a good sport about it they give me a $196.10 discount this year, of course after raising it $500. 

by Valorie - 2 years ago
Orange County United States
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Holy Cow--you should move to CA. 

by Valorie - 2 years ago
Orange County United States
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Brad said the whole reason we lost NUMMI was businesses don't want to pay the cost of doing business in CA.  They can get a steal in the south. 

by Sean - 2 years ago
Beaverton United States
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That's definitely true.  NUMMI was the most expensive plant Toyota ran in the world.  Payroll is a huge part due to the fact the UAW demanded such high hourly rates and benefits, essential when your housing costs were so high.  Then the utilities and taxes etc.  It all just killed it.  I saw the writing on the wall years ago.  When I talked to people in Japan or in other Toyota plants around the US their pay was substantially lower than NUMMI's.  All other Toyota plants belong to the Toyota union.  Everybody at NUMMI was making well over $100k a year, but they won't be making anything starting Mar 31st. 

by geoff - 2 years ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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just sitting here in my cube looking at random objects, and thinking about how much money the government taxed on these objects.  My phone, my monitor, the frames around my family photos, my headphones, my pens, post-it notes, candy in my drawer, trashcan, hand-sanitizer, laptop bag, all of it.  Think of all the millionaires that own each of these companies that paid gigantic portions of their income to the government, just cuz they make a lot of money.  And all the assembly line people that paid huge taxes just to make these objects.  Then, after they got their paychecks, think of all the taxes they paid to buy groceries, gas, houses, property taxes, or when they tried to go fishing, camping or hunting in the forest that the government seems to think they now own, or book a flight, or even mow their own lawn.  Every footstep you take in any direction, the government has you covered.

 

when and where is the line forming to blow this thing up, and start from scratch?

by Robie - 2 years ago
United States
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It's called the Second Coming Geoff.

by Valorie - 2 years ago
Orange County United States
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Third line of Geoff's remarks I was reading it really fast and when I got to the pens I read it as something else--that would be some tax.

by scott - 2 years ago
Salem, OR United States
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Member Points: 3706

Very true, fishing licenses went up about 30%... $24 last year and $33 this year.  That doesn't include the $25 Salmon tag.

by Brad - 2 years ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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The Deep South has a strong work ethic, low cost of living, and mild winter seasons. Thus, it has become the location of choice for auto assembly plants.  The south has been historically anti union. When Jimmy Hoffa was on trial for embezzling Teamster pension funds to Vegas casinos, the Feds searched and found labor law violations in a southern business  connection, and moved the trial to Chattanooga   This was the only jury that would convict him; for jury tampering, and not racketeering.

by laura - 2 years ago
Sandy, UT United States
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Member Points: 1488

We bought our house for about 25% less than the previous owners had paid, so the taxable value went way down. And still our property taxes went up this year. Amazing.

by Brad - 2 years ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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Member Points: 1639

California has a one time decline in assessment statute that allows owners to request devaluation in taxes due to declining value. It was passed by the voters under Proposition 8. But our state bases tax rates on the purchase price of the home, plus unpaid bonds and assessments. Its probably the most fair way to value taxation on homes, although I don't especially like paying 7 times more than my neighbor only because I bought 10 years ago and he bought his 40 years back!

by Sean - 2 years ago
Beaverton United States
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I believe ours will go up 3% every year, even though our home value hasn't changed in 5 years.  The funny thing is, when I do my taxes I actually get back more Federal than I pay. HAHAHAHA.  I guess essentially the Federal govt. is helping me pay my Oregon taxes, as well as my mortgage interest etc.  When I enter that massive property tax figure into the box you just watch your federal return skyrocket. 

by Valorie - 2 years ago
Orange County United States
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Member Points: 13553

You speaking of Turbo-Tax?  If so, that is so cool to watch that amount change as you start to enter the deductables.  Wow, so you pay no fed tax?  SO you are one of those that I am paying for?  :)  I am sure some old couple subsidized me when I had 6 dependents.

by geoff - 2 years ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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Hmm, i was just about to say i dont mind paying for fishing licenses because at least i feel like that money is used to help the rivers be more healthy and to help keep the fish population up.

 

but come to think of it, last time i went to Burney, i fished for about 6 hours on the Pit River and never even got a bite.  So much for that thinking.

by Sean - 2 years ago
Beaverton United States
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Member Points: 8398

Yep, I get owned so bad by the state of Oregon, mortgage interest and donations that the Federal govt. are the only people that feel sorry for me.  I'd like to give them two big thumbs up!!  Of course, I'm just hoping that my large donations to Social Security will still be around when I'm retired. I'm not banking on it.   I love using Turbo Tax and watching the numbers climb every time I enter a deductable.  I can have it done in like 15 minutes.  It reenters a lot of stuff from last year.  You can also see the differences from last year ie. property tax hikes etc.  A great program and I've used it for years.  I did try H&R block one time and it made no difference and cost more.

 

The nice thing about fishing with kids is your just hand the pole to the kids when the ranger is around.  LOL.  Not that I'm that much of a fisher but I do it for the kids.  Can't wait for our first trip to VERNONIA this year!   Spring is taking forever. 

by scott - 2 years ago
Salem, OR United States
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Member Points: 3706

Redistribution of wealth.  Wow, what a concept.  My poor America, land of opportunity, is disappearing before my eyes.

by Sean - 2 years ago
Beaverton United States
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Member Points: 8398
by Brad - 2 years ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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Member Points: 1639

Did Joe the Plumber ever get his tax lien cleared?

by Valorie - 2 years ago
Orange County United States
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Member Points: 13553

Ok, spread yours.  I had an interesting thing happen today while using TT.  We spent $9000 last summer on new air and heating system.  We were told that we would get $1500 back on our taxes--not a deduction but that amount back.  I couldn't find anywhere in TT to enter that so looked at other users questions that were asking the same thing.  It seems that the IRS form has not yet been received by TT that will allow this but it has stated different dates that have come and gone when it would be available.  So now when I enter my $1500 even though I found a spot it says I don't qualify.  Something better happen soon on TT or I am going to be one ticked US citizen. 

by camharsev - 2 years ago
West Linn, OR United States
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Member Points: 1472

I was really disappointed that 66 and 67 passed!  How did that happen?!?!???  I couldn't believe it when they came to my door trying to tell me that I wouldn't be affected, only the really wealthy would.  I have two problems with that.....one- why would anyone assume that everyone wouldn't be effected by something so off balance?  It all trickles down somehow.  Two- there is something in me that really dislikes the feeling of someone else paying for my own kids schooling.  It is SO unfair. If they are going to raise the taxes to support the school system, why not do it equally, since all social classes have children in school.  If you make it a flat rate like 3% for all, those that are poor still pay a smaller share than those that are wealthy, but we all contribute.  Those measures were so bloated and off balanced it made me sad.  How could anyone feel good about voting yes on that if they weren't in the bracket being taxed?  It feels like robbery.  It seems like a bloodletting.  Again, this is a carbon print of how Ayn Rand said it would happen in Atlas Shrugged.....kind of eerie that things can change so fast.

by scott - 2 years ago
Salem, OR United States
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Member Points: 3706

I agree Cami.  It's a government bailout provided by the rich, or the supposed rich.  Quite the discriminatory tax.   How this is justified is beyond me.  How it can be implemented retroactively is cause for a rebellion.  Does Caleb still live in Texas?  I might join him.

by Sean - 2 years ago
Beaverton United States
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Member Points: 8398

Well, a few things.  First, these are the same voters who have voted to make it illegal to pump your own gas for the last 30 years.  That said, I think all bets are off for voting anything that makes sense.  Second, raising taxes is always for 3 reasons, School, Police, or Fire.  They never say this tax is for govt. employees to get a raise, noone would vote for it. This tax is just as much for bumping govt. employee pay as anything else.  Third, almost all of Oregon voted against it except for a couple of counties I bet you can guess.  Last, 66&67 are so incredibly destructive we will be paying dearly for it for years to come.  I don't think most of us understand how terrible they are. 

by Aimee - 2 years ago
Portland OR United States
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Member Points: 5634

Yes, Sean is right that they always say tax increases are for those 3 things, or maybe for nursing homes/hospitals. That's to make you feel guilty if you don't vote for them. I'm kind of depressed that they passed, too, Allen and I were talking about it last night. But apparently the majority figures as long as the taxes are paid by "not me" they're okay.

by Aimee - 2 years ago
Portland OR United States
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Member Points: 5634

Oh, and on the property taxes, they do cap your assessed value so it can't go up more than 3% a year. Although apparently not true if you remodel, as ours jumped up a big chunk last year.

by Brad - 2 years ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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Member Points: 1639

California caps at 2% per year, also subject to adjustment on value added remodels. They pull the info off remodeling permits. I agree that a tax on anybody and  almost anything affects us all. I prefer consumption taxes on items like beer, wine, cigarettes, and medical marijuana......

by geoff - 1 year ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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Member Points: 11594

just released ariel photos of 9/11.  Man, some of these are unbelievable.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/911-Terror-Attacks/ss/events/us/081202sept11

by Sean - 1 year ago
Beaverton United States
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Member Points: 8398

Man, I hear more and more about layoffs from 66&67.  Strange it's never on the news.  Supposed to generate $733 million in the next two years and be matched by Federal funds to pay for education, Medicaid and public safety.  Around $1.5 Billion in funds.  Looks like everybody is getting a fat raise.  I hope my kids have gold bound text books and steak and lobster school lunches for free.  Unemployment in the public sector is at only 3% while the rest of the state is at 11%.  We'll also be able to provide better free Health Services to the 486,500 free loaders (14% of the population of Oregon) of which only 97,500 are 'supposedly' disabled.

 

For large companies such as Precision CastParts, Nike and Intel who've all been paying large taxes all along it's not much of a change.  However for smaller struggling businesses who used to only pay tax on their net profit, they now pay tax on all sales in Oregon regardless if they make a profit. Talk about taking a beating.  Of course those additional costs will be charged to us as consumers in the form of a backdoor sales tax. 

by Robie - 1 year ago
United States
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My dad's cousin just lost his job b/c of it.  He had worked there 37 years and they had to get rid of 5 people and he was one of them.

by Brad - 1 year ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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Member Points: 1639

This wasn't cousin Howard Long, was it?

by geoff - 1 year ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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"they now pay tax on all sales in Oregon regardless if they make a profit".  Seriously?  If that is true, how is that going to encourage new business growth?  Many times, entrepreneurs offer products/services at a loss initially, just to get traction and awareness in the market.  Now they are risking even more, if they taxed on their losses.

by scott - 1 year ago
Salem, OR United States
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Member Points: 3706

Yes, I believed neither 66 nor 67 had a chance of passing.  I was dumbfounded when they both did.  The advertisements and bumper stickers stating "YOU DON'T PAY ANYTHING!" swayed alot of people.  I'm really wondering about this state.  We might be leaving to Missouri sooner than I thought....

by Brad - 1 year ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
Member Since: Jan 2007
Member Points: 1639

Kansas is the place for me. Farm livin. Nice winters and lots of things to do there. Fresh air. No traffic. No people. No jobs.

by scott - 1 year ago
Salem, OR United States
Member Since: Jan 2007
Member Points: 3706

hahaha, jobs make life complicated.

by Sean - 1 year ago
Beaverton United States
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by Brad - 1 year ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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Member Points: 1639

Great commentary. What is former Rep Jim Hill's position on measures 66 & 67, and overtaxation in Oregon, in general?

by Brad - 1 year ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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Member Points: 1639

For Representative Hill's viewpoint, just go to this updated link:

http://www.oregonvotes.org/nov72000/guide/strep/hill.htm

by Jay - 1 year ago
San Jose United States
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Member Points: 4260

Yay!!!! more businesses coming to California! Thanks Oregon!

by Valorie - 1 year ago
Orange County United States
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Member Points: 13553

Makes no sense.

by Brad - 1 year ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
Member Since: Jan 2007
Member Points: 1639

These businesses are not coming to California--they are moving to Nevada, for more favorable tax treatment.

by Jay - 1 year ago
San Jose United States
Member Since: Nov 2006
Member Points: 4260

Well, even if its 1% of businesses that would have otherwise been in Oregon are now in CA, it's still something. I agree CA is not the most favorable small business state. There's a reason exercise.com is a delaware company.

by Brad - 1 year ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
Member Since: Jan 2007
Member Points: 1639

Delaware hosts alot of corporations. It seems like every real estate based corporation has a Delaware address. That state must offer some significant tax break for businesses which are based there. I know Nevada eliminated  inventory taxes years back and company warehouses and freight companies soon flocked into the state.  

by geoff - 1 year ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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Member Points: 11594

i would be willing to bet that many of the politicians that backed these measures have gained an understanding of their foolish ideas, but are probably way too proud to admit it.  Can you imagine how stupid they would look if they reversed these measures?  Dumb to get it passed, then even dumber to admit they were dumb in the first place.

by Valorie - 1 year ago
Orange County United States
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Member Points: 13553

I got it--dumb and dumber.

by laura - 1 year ago
Sandy, UT United States
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Member Points: 1488

There are no corporate income taxes in Delaware. Just some annual filing fees. But I think there are other reasons so many companies are incorporated in Delaware. Corporate friendly laws in general.

by Brad - 1 year ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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Member Points: 1639

Laura--thanks, that explains it all. Alot of credit card companies are based in Delaware, too.

by Valorie - 1 year ago
Orange County United States
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Member Points: 13553

Its about time...

Bayh argued that the American people needed to deliver a "shock" to Congress by voting incumbents out in mass and replacing them with people interested in reforming the process and governing for the good of the people, rather than deep-pocketed special-interest groups.

But Bayh had apparently become increasingly frustrated in the Senate. In this morning's interview he noted that just two weeks ago, Republicans who had co-sponsored a bill with him to rein in the deficit turned around and voted against their own bill.

by geoff - 1 year ago
Fountain Valley, CA United States
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